Letter to the Parish Council.
January 7, 2013
Members of the Parish Council,
January 7, 2013
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Mr. President thank you for letting me speak at your board meeting.
I have 3 topics I would like to address.
1- It has been seven months since our so called free and fair elections, and to date, other than repairing the leaks at P.E. and carpeting the Sunday School rooms at H.T., nothing has been done to resolve the plague that is affecting our community - the splitting of the community. We have had many assemblies and meetings where the community has unanimously voted for ONE COMMUNITY with two churches. Why hasn’t the board, proestamenoi and the Metropolitan addressed the issue and tried to resolve the problem? WE the community have asked for help and have received nothing in reply.
2- It is my understanding, and I stand corrected if I am wrong, that the UPRs state that a community shall have ONE Proestameno, ONE Philoptochos and One Parish Council. Why are we in VIOLATION, and have two Proestamenoi, two Philoptochos groups? The members of the community are continually required to follow the UPRs, while the clergy disregard them or change them to their liking.
3- In regard to stewardship, there will be no increase in stewardship as long as the people have no voice in the secular affairs of the church. At one time it was an equal voice between parish members and clergy; now it is a dictatorship by the clergy. PAY-PRAY-OBEY.Where do we go from here?
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I was waiting until this month of November to make a final decision regarding the ratification of the parish council candidate; Mr. Yannis Armaou, to. the Pairsh (sic) Council, on the basis that the final payment to the attorney who handled the recent law suit against the previous parish council would be paid.
Your Eminence: There was NEVER any question but that the legal costs of your appointed would be paid. We supported that our newly elected Parish Council, in a selfless effort at reconciliation, chose to pay this bill. We paid our own legal bills that were incurred thanks to your intransigence and the unethical and illegal efforts of your appointed.
We knew that what your appointed were doing (and are still doing) - at your behest, then and now - not only was and is contrary to any tenets of Christian behavior; these actions were and still are also contrary to those UPRs you and they love to hide behind.
Be that as it may: we ARE anthropoi and good Christians! We forgave seventy times seven as the Lord instructed! We have continued to seek and yearn for unity! Only you, the Proistamenos-of-Prophet Elias-ONLY, and about six dozen people continue to thwart unity, and your actions in instructing certain parishioners to establish a separate corporation in the name of Prophet Elias (only) - in direct opposition to the instructions of the Archbishop and the Holy Synod - is but the latest example of that intransigence. It is not we who are disobedient, Your Eminence.
Unfortunately, however, the recent letter sent to His All Holiness Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew and to His Eminence. Archbishop Demetrios and attributed to Mr. Armaou regarding Father Michael Kouremetis forces me not to ratify his election. The reason for this is because the contents of the letter go against the Uniform Parish Regulations, Article 30, Section 4:
Attributed to Mr. Armaou? Mr. Armaou is a grown man - a man who understands and accepts the consequences of his actions. He sent letters to the Archdiocese and to the Patriarchate and signed his name! There is no "attribution"! No one TOLD him to do this or wrote those letters for him! Being rather articulate, he sent his thoughts and his words. Unlike others, he's not hiding behind anyone's cassocks! Mr. Armaou is no one's pawn.
It must be known by all the members of the Archdiocese, clergy, monastics, and la:ity, that the Uniform Parish Regulations have been reviewed and. approved, as they appear today, by the Ecumenical Patriarchate years ago. See Article 3, Section l,P. Our Patriarch would never go contrary to the official approval of the U.P.R.'s; neither, consequently, would the Archbishop.
Putting our Archbishop "on the spot" yet again? Your Eminence contends that the Archbishop submitted the decisions of Clergy-Laity Congresses to the Patriarch, and His Beatitude accepted such. No one, clearly, ever questioned among the hierarchy whether such ridiculous, one-sided constructs might have unintended consequences. So long as there was complete and utter control by the hierarchy, "what could go wrong?" WHAT, INDEED! Yet in the midst of this flawed situation, and even under those same flawed regulations, the Archdiocese and the Holy Synod quite specifically asked that you allow this community to heal and to make its own decisions as to if, when and how it might split. You won't abide by that decision, even though the flawed regulations say you must.
The fact that the Holy Synod asked that you desist in your truculent actions toward this community is, to you, meaningless. You're the top boss here - right? In your ongoing actions, you are not only bullying this community, you are also bullying the supposed "first among equals" in this country, Archbishop Demetrios! Haven't you said, over and over again, that the Archbishop and the Holy Synod can't tell you what to do in your Metropolis?
It is tragic to consider that the Patriarch, in assenting to this disastrous construct, in order to avoid dealing with another strong leader in America, such as Archbishop Iakovos, is destroying the vibrancy of Greek Orthodoxy and Hellenic culture in this country, and most certainly in this valley!
I have gotten to know Mr. Armaou in my several visits to the community, as well as his parents and have even had the occasion to share a meal in their home; and I have considered them fine people. I suspect that Mr. Armaou may have been used as a pawn and projecting someone else's thoughts and desires. Even so, I cannot, nor wish to go, against the Patriarchate; and therefore am unable to ratify his election because of the letter attributed to him.
Mr. Armaou a pawn? Obviously, you, as our "shepherd", clearly views his flock as ACTUAL sheep. Like many others who worship and serve in this community, Mr. Armaou is educated, forthright, hardworking, forceful, successful and has been a dynamic presence here for several decades. He recently chaired a very successful Greek Festival in September under highly difficult circumstances. He also worked tirelessly for the annual Thanksgiving dinner program for the city's needy and indigent at the church. Mr. Armaou does not deserve to be infantilized or demeaned in this manner.
Finally, please know that the Salt Lake community is the largest parish in the Denver Metropolis, Your recent parish council elections proved it. Know that the parish in Houston, Texas is immediately second in size, and it consistently has had four fulltime priests. If much of the stewardship monies of the Salt Lake community did not go to one of the four independent accounts, which are not under the custodianship of any current parish council, as has been happening in the community, the parish would easily have more than enough funds to submit its 2011 obligations, as well as its 2012 obligations to the Archdiocese. Moreover, the parish would have ample funds to cover the full compensation of four or five fulltime priests, which would be appropriate to serve the spiritual needs of all the Greek Orthodox people in greater Salt Lake.
Houston Annunciation Cathedral at present has three - not four - priests, one of whom has a second (actually, his first) profession as a medical professional. We don't know the full allocation of parish resources with regard to the community's priests' income and benefits, but we do know that Houston, generally, is a more prosperous metropolitan area, with a far greater ratio of professionals, business people, companies and workers, where there are higher incomes than those to be found, per-capita, in Salt Lake City. While the number of families might now be similar, per-capita income in Houston is, on average, higher. In contrast to Utah, Texas also has no state income tax. His Eminence is comparing apples and oranges.
Further, the funds that our Metropolitan references in this community's separate accounts have been properly allocated - by General Assembly votes over the years - for specific projects. Considering that one of his appointed parish councils once held a quickly announced a special general assembly in the dead of winter in 2009, on a school night, and managed to wrest the funds from festivals - which were prior to that time NOT to be used as operating funds - his ongoing reference to these other restricted funds is more than disturbing.
QUESTION? If the separate accounts currently existing were to be suddenly transferred solely to the purview of the Parish Council, what would stop the Metropolitan from, yet again, disbanding an elected Parish Council, and later instructing yet another appointed council to reallocate those specific funds in order to suit his own purposes and those of his favored minority?
At the time when you, the current parish council assumed your responsibilities, I was assured that you would work together to bring peace and unity among all the people. Are the recent newspaper articles about the community part of this process? When do you plan to start in being faithful to your word?
That a bishop, who has never been troubled by going back on his word, has something to say of a parish council trying desperately to revitalize a community, that our Metropolitan had a huge part in sundering, and is apparently continuing to thwart, is accused of not being faithful to its word is simply galling! The only thing one can say about the Metropolitan's final sentence can be discussed in terms of pots calling kettles black.
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"I was waiting until this month of November to make a final decision regarding the ratification of the parish council candidate, Mr. Yannis Armaou, to the Parish Council, on the basis that final payment to the attorney who handled the recent law suit against the previous parish council would be paid."
On August 2, 2012, the Metropolitan writes in part, "Therefore, I must know if the attorneys involved in this matter will have been fully paid. Thereafter, I will gladly ratify the name of Mr. Armaou." (emphasis added) On September 4, 2012, the Metropolitan, apparently forgetting what he previously wrote offered the following, "Until all problematic financial matters related to this have been resolved, Mr. Armaou's status will remain pending." The financial matters referenced by the Metropolitan were the same on August 2, 2012 as they were on September 4, 2012 yet he mentions no condition on finances. If, as he writes in his most recent letter, he was waiting until November to make a final decision, what are we to make of the August 2, 2012 letter? You gave your word, Your Eminence, in that August letter and now you have gone back on it.
"Unfortunately, however, the recent letter sent to His All Holiness Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew and to His Eminence Archbishop Demetrios and attributed to Mr. Armaou regarding Father Michael Kouremetis forces me to not ratify his election. The reason for this is because the contents of the letter go against the Uniform Parish Regulations, Article 30, Section 4."
Section 4 of the Uniform Parish Regulations states, "If a problem should arise between a Priest and the Parish Council, the
matter shall not be brought before the Parish Assembly. The Priest or the Parish Council
shall have the right to refer the matter to the respective Hierarch" How exactly does this apply to a letter written to the Patriarch or the Archbishop? Mr. Armaou's letter was not brought before a parish assembly. Certainly Your Eminence isn't arguing that Mr. Armaou was a member of the parish council since, in spite of his election by this community, you have refused to ratify him. You gave your word in that August letter and now have gone back on it.
"If much of the stewardship monies of the Salt Lake community did not go to one of the four independent accounts, which are not under the custodianship of any current parish council, as has been happening in the community, the parish would easily have more than enough funds to submit its 2011 obligations, as well as its 2012 obligations to the Archdiocese."
How much is "much" and from where does His Eminence derive his facts? A quick review of recent history reveals it was under his "appointed" parish councils that this community ignored its obligations to the Archdiocese. It is certainly worth noting that the current parish council, since being elected and taking office has remitted nearly $135,000 toward this community's Archdiocesan obligation. An accomplishment the "appointed" parish councils failed to meet throughout their entire tenure. Further, His Eminence's independent accounts argument is nothing more than a red herring - those monies and entities have been designated as separate by General Assemblies, and the Parish Council President has oversight of them as one of the signatories.
"At the time when you, the current parish council assumed your responsibilities, I was assured that you would work together to bring peace and unity among the people. Are the recent newspaper articles about the community part of this process? When do you plan to start being faithful to your word?"
Since taking office, this current parish council has worked diligently for the betterment of the ENTIRE community. The referenced newspaper articles are a result of the poor clerical leadership that has plagued this community for over TEN years, and the insistence on making a miracle out of an accidental spilling of oil on glass covering an icon, despite the evidence to the contrary.
Responding to His Eminence's final question: When do you plan to start being faithful to your word, Your Eminence?
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Your All Holiness Patriarch Bartholomew and Your Eminence Archbishop Dimitrios,
On March 24, 2011 as part of the decision of the Holy Eparchial Synod, Your Eminence, Archbishop Demetrios, wrote a letter to Metropolitan Isaiah of Denver regarding the withdrawal of an ecclesiastical charter issued on April 12, 2010.
I believe that Your Eminence was deceived by the Metropolitan of Denver in issuing the charter in his endless quest, along with Fr. Kouremetis, to split the community of the Greek Orthodox Church of Greater Salt Lake.
In addition, Your Eminence's letter states, "Similarly, the Prophet Elias corporation will be formally dissolved and no separate trade names will be filed with the state of Utah for Holy Trinity and Prophet Elias.
It is certainly no secret that problems have continued with Fr. Kouremetis especially in declaring an accidental spill on an icon a miracle.
Sadly, Your Eminence's directive stated above has not been followed and to this date, a corporation in the name of the Prophet Elias is active with the state of Utah. Not only has this directive been ignored, the corporation was renewed THIS YEAR. What is the point of having an appeal process in the Uniform Parish Regulations if the decision of the Holy Eparchial Synod, which is to be FINAL, is ignored?
Furthermore, Metropolitan Isaiah of Denver writes on August 20, 2012 to the community: "Furthermore, the updating of the corporate record with the name, Prophet Elias, guarantees that no other entity in the future can legally use this name."
Since the building of the Prophet Elias church in 1969, no other entity has attempted to legally use this name. It appears that the Metropolitan in conjunction with Fr. Kouremetis continue to operate in defiance of the decision of Your Eminence and the Eparchial Synod.
Your All Holiness and Your Eminence, the people of this community have endured a great deal due to the Trojan Horse tactics and at the hands of the Metropolitan and Fr. Kouremetis. A quick and drastic solution is needed to bring peace to this community. At the very least, the immediate removal of Fr. Kouremetis and the withdrawal of the Prophet Elias corporation is necessary.
I have attached all letters referenced along with the Articles of Incorporation of the unethically formed Prophet Elias corporation. I thank you for your time and consideration.
Reverencing your right hands, I remain, faithfully yours,
/s/
Yannis Armaou
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It is now time for the blog, “Take our Church Back” to be discontinued. No question, it has served its purpose over the time it has operated and all of the articles posted in it were mostly accurate; however, now is time that our community must show some compassion and allow healing to occur. As was pointed out in the General Assembly on Sunday, November 17, it is now time for all of us, Clergy as well as parishioners, to bury the hatchet and forgive one another for the good of the community. It serves no purpose to allow negative comments to appear on the blog. We must strive for unity and the time to begin is now.
One of the primary reasons for the blog was and is to provide accurate information to all parishioners concerning events that are happening, both presently as well as in the past. The blog served a useful purpose in that regard and over 264,000 hits since its inception show that our parishioners, as well as others, reviewed it and made their comments.
At the General Assembly on Sunday the Parish Council did a good job of presenting the agenda and allowed parishioners to express themselves appropriately. Thanks must be given to President, Mr. Tsagaris and his Parish Council members for the work they are doing, but more work needs to be done as was pointed out by the auditing committee chairmen, Mr. McGrath and Mr. Kapos. The need for an Operations Manager for this parish is great and this position must be filled as soon as possible. As was pointed out in the meeting, we must get control of church finances and run our parish as a business.
Now I will discuss the two churches, Holy Trinity Cathedral and Prophet Elias. Whether we like to admit it or not, the two churches have been separated for years. There should be no hard feelings on this matter, but the two churches are separate. We have two Proestamenoi, as they are called, two Philoptochos Societies, two choirs, two Sunday Schools, etc. Both churches are presently governed by one Parish Council and for keeping the community as one, this should continue until such time as the need arises in the future for two Parish Councils. At the appropriate time, a committee could be established by the General Assembly to totally separate the two churches, but presently we must operate as one UNIFIED parish. There should no bickering from parishioners and we must show some love, compassion and unity toward one another. We have shown that we can unite as one by the beautiful work that has been done at our annual Greek Festival.
As to the Uniform Parish Regulations (UPRs), these should be examined carefully by the Parish Council and as changes are necessary, they should be brought up for discussion at the Clergy-Laity Conference which is held annually and attended by the appropriate people from the Clergy as well as the Parish Council. In my opinion and I served on many Parish Councils in the past as well as the President in 1968 when ground was broken for the Prophet Elias Church, changes are necessary in the UPRs but I will not go into details at the present time.
Regarding stewardship, Mr. George Pappas, Chairman, eloquently stated his position at the General Assembly and he is correct that we must increase our church members as well as each family should give an extra amount of money in order for the Parish Council to balance the parish budget for the year 2013.
With love and humility,
/s/
Nick P. Sefakis
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As our Metropolitan once said, "thank God for our converts!"
First of all, to every latest convert to our faith who calls those of us who grew up in this church community "cradle Orthodox":
you cannot imagine how OFFENSIVE we find the appellation.
If you want to fit in here, DO NOT USE THAT TERM! If you dare say it to our face, our first inclination might well be to deck you. Since most of us do not condone violence, we will simply walk away from you and ask you to NEVER speak to us again if you choose to continue using the term.
We are PROUD to be what you term - too often, derisively - "cradle Orthodox". Our parents and grandparents simply told us from the time we knew what language meant - in both Greek and English - that Orthodoxy meant - "correct faith/glorification".
We understand that if you have converted to our faith you are engaged in something wondrous. There is, however, more to those of us who grew up with this heritage than just that wonder. We are the PROUD cultural descendants of a group of immigrants who strove, starved, suffered, endured and prospered.
We understand that legacy and continue to feel it in our marrow. We do not expect you to understand it. However, we will not allow you to denigrate it, or to tell US it is not significant - even if our so-called "spiritual fathers" deem it convenient to ignore or subsume that legacy, whenever it suits their purposes, and use YOU to help them attack it as it suits their purposes.
Don't tell us we have too much time on our hands. Don't tell us to go to confession. This is beyond your right and scope of responsibility. We know who we are; we don't need you to remind us. We have been brought up to know this, and we know WHO our true spiritual fathers are! Moreover, we know who they are NOT!
We are glad to have you join us, but before you throw yourselves into a fray that you really do not understand, please at least have the courtesy to ask a variety of others of us - the "cradle orthodox" who you obviously disrespect - what our point of view might be.
Then, if you still wish to hold an opposing viewpoint, so be it.
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This week, many of us attended Con Skedros' Trisagion and Burial Services. While at the "makaria" luncheon after the funeral, we learned that our erstwhile Proistamenos-of-Prophet-Elias-only had indeed been busy attempting to refute an earlier article from the "Faith" section in the Salt Lake Tribune. The text of the latest article (Paul Rolly, Salt Lake Tribune, "Utah " Section) can be viewed in this Website's sidebar.
Everyone has the right to their opinion. However, historians such as Con knew and know, no one has the right to the facts. The facts just are THE FACTS. Opinions surrounding those facts can be evaluated on their merits in how closely they conform to, or explain, the facts.
Metropolitan Isaiah never said, or even implied, that the "phenomenon" that he accepts as a "miracle" was a sign to keep the two parishes unified as one under the Greek Orthodox Community of Greater Salt Lake. In fact he said, in a letter to the community dated October 20, 2010, the EXACT OPPOSITE! (The original letter may be viewed here.)
It is not usual for an icon of Christ the Lord to exude oil or even tears. I truly believe that our Lord heard our prayers to make His presence known and to resolve the situation of the two parishes.
Now there can be no question in the minds of any of His people. Our Lord recognizes His parishes as monogamous and independent, each with a Proistamenos representing Him through the local bishop. Both parishes can now proceed to grow and to develop for His greater glory and the salvation of His people. [emphasis added]Using parts of the Metropolitan's letter, Father Kouremetis has subtly misrepresented to Mr. Rolly, and to the Salt Lake Tribune, the intent of that original letter.
Here is the rest of the story. The miracle of the oil, which the priest and metropolitan still insist is true and say it has actually healed parishioners, was discovered right at the time church members were vehemently protesting the church’s decision to split the congregations of the Prophet Elias Church in Holladay and the Holy Trinity Church in downtown Salt Lake City into two parishes.
There was even talk of suing the church, and several hundred members stood in protest outside the Prophet Elias Church.Several hundred members stood in protest outside the Prophet Elias Church? When? The only people who stood outside Prophet Elias Church were five of six faithful stewards last year about this same time (the sixth who was ill and had to remain home in sub-freezing weather, ironically, was CON SKEDROS) that the Metropolitan banned from the church they had helped to build!
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How surprising is it, that having requested letters about "miracles", the rabid minority that still demands our community be split, is complying by sending letters attesting to "miracles"? And, they are "following the Lord's example" by keeping them "secret"! (Surely, there is an admonition in the commandments about bearing false witness?) Further, complaints regarding the "allowing" of Mr. Tsagaris' letter to be distributed to the community are rather ineffectual and silly since His Eminence did not "allow" the letter to be distributed via e-mail; rather, he demanded it. Interestingly, he did so with no explanation other than it be sent. Fr. Michael took it upon himself to "clarify" that the Metropolitan's demand was "not an endorsement" - for which, apparently, he was chided by the Metropolitan.
For a hierarch who is now convinced that the "miracle" is a true "phenomenon", doesn't it strike anybody as strange that the community has a "miraculous" icon, but that no hierarch - including Metropolitan Isaiah - ever came around to witness it and conduct services, didn't send a representative, didn't inform the Archdiocese or the Patriarchate? None of the monks from the monastery in the next state over came to witness it, or to pray. None of the other Orthodox prelates in the city, nor any other clergy from other faiths came to check it out, either. We have had visiting Archons who have never mentioned venerating that particular icon.
It was simply yet another ruse to confuse. It was mentioned only as a further justification for splitting the community, especially when the minority knew that the community was planning to resist at all costs, to appeal to the Archdiocese and to the Holy Synod. And, the issue had been dormant for a while until it was discovered that the maintenance person who had accidentally spilled oil on the glass of the icon, while filling an oil lamp nearby, was coerced into signing a document attesting to a miracle, and did so, for fear of losing his employment. That the Metropolitan and Father Michael, our Lord's Apostolic successors, continue to justify this sham is truly sad!
As for the community's relationships with several priests, the Metropolitan's assertions continue to be flawed and problematic. First and foremost, Father Katsaris did not, as he himself attests, leave this community under any pressure from the community. He was, and is still, highly respected. He is, to this day, in contact with many prominent parishioners here. He has firmly denied such an allegation, though the Metropolitan seems highly content to perpetuate the myth. Subsequent priests left due to retirement, promotions, a desire for better remuneration, and what we will charitably call problematic behaviors. No one in this community denies that some parishioners have sometimes been hostile toward certain clergy; the converse, unfortunately, is also true.
Fr. Michael's appointment here has been described as an appointment to "resolve existing problems which obviously came from the former priest". This is a rather simplistic generalization for a highly specific problem that involved that former priest's personal life and not the community as a whole. To suggest differently is highly disingenuous.
Father Michael has had every opportunity to minister to this community with love. He is a highly gifted and talented man, who conducts beautiful services. He can be both articulate and charming. He sadly also has an unfortunate, almost pathological need to exert complete control, to only work with and minister almost exclusively to those he likes and can control, and to squelch any point of view he deems inimical to his personal interest. He refuses to accept that the majority in this valley do not wish to split their community, and assists in every effort to thwart that will, which has been expressed over and over again. If he cannot accept it, he should leave. This community does not need an Ephialtes in its midst. We have enough to do to try to repair the damage he, and the unelected, appointed minions he kept installing as "leaders", have created.
And, of course, we are always returned to the specious argument that TAKE OUR CHURCH BACK is literal and not metaphorical. For the umpteenth time this blog's contributors and writers know the Church was built, belongs to, and exists for the greater glory of the Lord and for our salvation. As with the clergy, we, too, have a responsibility to our Church and our Faith. It is both disappointing and disheartening to see our Church's clergy succumb to arrogance, hubris and condescension. It is further disheartening when the hierarchy promotes a rigid, unresponsive view of the relationship between the apostolic priesthood, and what St. Mark called "the royal priesthood" - the laity. Finally, we know what our forefathers were seeking, and we will not foreswear that legacy. Along with you and the clergy, Your Eminence, WE are also the Church. Blind obedience is not an absolute requirement in the face of high-handed leadership and poor judgment by the clergy. If it were so, our Lord would not have confronted the moneylenders in the temple, nor would he have challenged the Pharisees.
The fact is, as has been pointed out to our Metropolitan, most certainly by more than one person, Father Michael is no longer effective; he is a divisive force in this community who will not work with all the community. He is this community's servant, but behaves like its feudal lord and master. More time will not change that fact, and this community should not have to continue to suffer for it, or to pay for it, no matter what the highly flawed UPRs say.
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Question: who builds a gazebo and barbecue deck in their yard when the roof of their house is caving in?
Answer: Fr. Michael and his supporters. Surely the Proistamenos-of-Prophet-Elias-only could have prevailed upon the donors to fix the DOME of the church as a means to honor loved ones, before proceeding with less critical projects? Apparently not.